Welcome back Dave and glad you could find us.
As AYC said, the league pulled the plug on the forum with about 24 hours notice so it’s not possible to categorize them as anything but bush. We were prepared as we could be and posted a quick notice on the old forum and in other spots such as Reddit. It is no doubt a mystery to those who missed that.
The thread below started on the first day offers some further explanation.
https://discourse.cfl.forum/t/welcome-to-the-new-forum/21?u=jon
WHEW! Glad you made it over, @usc4dav
The rule in both the CFL and NFL is “immediate recovery”. I didnt see the play live as I fell asleep but the player appeared to not be attempting to recover a fumble but casually picking the ball up. In my view that’s not an immediate recovery. I’m not sure the way this was ruled was the spirit of the rule
If someone fumbles a ball right into another players lap and the whistle goes slightly before the recovery I don’t have an issue.
Good point. It wasn’t a fumble recovery by any definition. The player casually picked it up. The defender who almost intercepted it and was on the ground next to the ball heard the whistle and as a result gave up any attempt to recover the ball, which he may have been able to do. The refs weren’t even paying attention to the ball pick up as the play was clearly and definitively over. No one on the Seahawks thought they had made the convert and they were preparing to kick off. I have never seen anything like it, as many said.
This was an egregious blown call that may have decided the game. The replay booth simply invented a result that couldn’t be and begs the questions what is next or what can’t they do? Maybe they used CGI or that slime stuff to concoct the play?
I can’t disagree with you more on this one, and this point is dead wrong, as covered by the retired official during the broadcast as well.
It was a fumble regardless of its form and appearance, as explained during the broadcast. The ball was recovered in the end zone. HOW it was recovered is irrelevant. The ball is either recovered or it’s not.
Quirky and all and too bad some of you were on the wrong side for your picks after the strangest two-point conversion play in the history of the NFL in a historic comeback statistically as well, but the correct ruling was made.
The rest for any change is for the NFL Rules Comittee, as even what perhaps some see as unintended can happen in accordance with the EXISTING rules, “spiritual” arguments and the like aside.
It has nothing to do with the picks in the pool. Puhleeze.
As Crash said, it was by no definition an immediate recovery. You can’t invent a play later in the booth that took place well after the whistle. It was nothing short of a farce. Should they now allow hits or TD’s after the whistle since 2 pint converts are now allowed?
As you state, I’m pretty sure this embarrassment will be addressed by the rules committee do that it doesn’t happen again. Or maybe the NFL will just admit the blown call and that there was no “immediate” fumble recovery, which is the only thing that could have saved this play and is apparently how the ruling was justified. The ball was batted, almost intercepted, the whistle blew, it bounced around a bit, then lay on the ground until someone picked it up to presumably hand it to the official. Not a fumble recovery by any definition that I am aware of and it looks bush.
Hi All,
Thanks for the updates. I actually found you all by pure random luck. I had assumed that there just was an error being fixed in the old site but after a few days, I just went into google search and typed CFL forums and it lead me to a redit topic that had the link to this site.
Glad to be back!
David
I agree with @Paolo_X. It was a strange fumble recovery but I think it was a fumble by rule even if it wasn’t recognized as such in real time.
Anyway, I think I heard on the broadcast that they didn’t blow the whistle. If that’s true then I think the fumble was correctly awarded to Seattle. If they did blow the whistle then the play is dead and the Refs would have been premature in blowing the whistle and in error.
This is great news!
I’m glad that the reddit post is showing when you look up the CFL Forums on Google. Hopefully that means others will find their way here in due time as well.
Glad to have you back David!
Looking like the first game Eagles at Commanders will likely be a dud, but you never know.
Packers at Bears should be better.
I have no issue with a recovery after the whistle - but the definition of a clear and immediate recovery of the ball adds a grey area to this.
If theres a knee down/not down situation and the ball is on the turf and the whistle goes but a scrum ensues to which the ball is recovered, typically the recovery will stand regardless of whistle, otherwise the whistle will end all potential fumbles.
But if theres a fumble, ball rolls out, sits there… helmets come off, players walk off, and some player grabs the ball to hand it to the ref…. thats when it would not count.
At some point the window of clear and immediate needs to close - in this case, the player picking up the football wasnt doing it because he felt it was still live, and maybe intent doesn’t matter - but if the play stops then the recovery isn’t clear and immediate in my opinion.
I still havent seen the play in real time, so i’m not 100% sure how i feel.
Meh, the Eagles are off to a slow start.
At least we don’t have to listen to that bloviating Tom Brady now, but then again that Greg Olsen is not much better.
If they ever remake Frankenstein again, in his new acting career, Greg Olsen would be a dead ringer with some black dye and hair gel, pale green body paint and fake knobs glued to the sides of his neck.
Eagles feel like a one and done team to me. They simply can’t score
Alright NFL media, it’s time to shit-can your AI cartoon demonstrations. That ship is full of leaks and can’t sail any more.
The defense has also been nothing to write home about too of late. They are looking soft today already against that Commanders’ offense.
EDIT:
I should post like this more often? That defense suddenly came alive on those last two downs!
Hey Eagles - have Jake Elliott kick from nearer the RIGHT hash on the longer kicks.
He’s always wide left!
Either do that, or just cut him already.
Washington goes offside on yet another FG miss by the incompetent Elliot He gets another chance and promptly misses his 3rd FG of the half.
Washington up 10-7 at the half.
the lack of adjustment between kicks boggles my mind
Well, if the Eagles are to win this one, it’s going to have to be with defense and four-down offense anywhere on the other side of the 50-yard line going for touchdowns.
Unless perhaps under 41 yards, field goals are not happening, and field goals are not going to seal the deal after this drive early in the third quarter.
2nd false start call on Philly running the tush push. It’s about time they called this properly